I Cor. 11:7-16 - Role of Women in the Church #2

- we're in the middle of a very important (and some might
even say controversial) passage of Scripture - I Cor. 11
- Paul's talking about the role of women in the church

- understanding how this passage breaks down is a very
important part of understanding what Paul is saying about
this subject
- so let's think through the verses together

- we said verse 1 goes with chapter 10 (if you have a version
that divides the verses by paragraphs or "units of
thought," I'm almost sure that your Bible has verse 1 up
with chapter ten because it is the perfect capstone for
what Paul had said about Christian liberty

- verse 2 is an introduction and a statement of commendation
for the Corinthians
- its important, but its really not part of the discussion at
hand

- so the subject of the role of men and women in the church
begins at verse 3, and ends in verse 16
- so far, we've studied verses 3-6

- it's very important to remember that so far, two important
truths have been given
- there's been a principle, and then what we called a
cultural application of that principle

INPUT - what was the principle, and in what verse is it
found? (principle of submission - man/Christ,
woman/man, Christ/Father)

INPUT - what was the cultural application of the principle?
- when women were ministering publicly (not in the
formal worship services) ...
- they were to wear a veil (literally coming down
from the head)
- that’s what women (saved and unsaved) in that
culture wore as a sign of submission to their
husbands.
- the only women who didn't do that were
adulterers or prostitutes, and they even cut
their hair to look like a man, or some even
shaved their heads.
- apparently in the Corinthian church, some of the
ladies were so excited about their newfound
freedoms in Christ...
- and their freedom to minister in any fashion
for the Lord
- some went overboard and wanted to minister
publicly without the veil, against the
cultural habits of the day.
- Paul said, no--because of the unchanging principle of
submission -- in your cultural you are free to minister
(within the parameters we've already discussed)
- but men must minister without their heads covered
- and ladies must do so with their heads covered
- now, after we've answered the question of "what did the
passage mean in that day?"
- the next question is always what? (INPUT)
- what does the passage mean to us today?
- 1) how would the Lord want me to apply this passage
today?
2) what does he want me to me working on?
3) What does he want me to be changing?
4) What part of my life do I need to examine and
adjust as a result of studying these verses?

- what we presented last week was this.
- Verse three is a clear principle of Scripture that never
changes.
- the argument makes that clear.
- the submission of Christ to the Father is not
temporary. Jesus Christ always has been and always
will be in submission to the Father.
- that never changes
- men must always be in submission to Christ.
- we worked hard on applying that to men and the way
they live and the way they lead.
- that principle of submission never changes.

- ladies must always be in submission to their husbands.
- ladies must be in submission in the church.
- that principle never changes.

- Verse 3 is the "topic sentence" for this whole passage of
Scripture, and it is based on the unchanging truth of God.

- but we also said this - the cultural application may
change.
- what I presented last week, (which by the way is
consistent with what most conservative churches and
pastors have believed on this subject for centuries) ...
- was that a women would no longer have to wear a veil
while ministering publicly in our culture.
- we gave a number of reasons for that position.

- so to summarize what we said
- there are two issues here
- a principle and a cultural application
- we said that the principle cannot and does not change,
but in a few cases (like this one) the cultural
application may

- now, someone asked an excellent question last week and I'd
like to spend some time talking about it.
- In fact, we will be spending as much, if not more time
tonight, talking about how to study, interpret and apply
the Bible, as we are going to talk about the role of men
and women in the church
- but that's one of the nice things about Wednesday nights-
you can go into issues like this in a little more depth
- these verses do illustrate some important principles of
Bible study

- question was: "How do we distinguish whether something is
cultural or not?"

- the question is a good one, because some would say
that all of Paul's teaching on the Roles of men and
women in the church is cultural, and therefore none
of it would apply today.
- you can see where that leads--some would say "all
that Paul taught about monogamous marriage was only
cultural"
- once that "barn door" is open--there's no telling
what kind of strange critters are going to come
in.

- now, I'd like to come back and answer that question
specifically in a minute, but before we do--I think it
would be very beneficial if we did this:

- let's think through all the positions a person could
possibly take on these verses (and then we'll rank them
on which ones are worse and which ones are better)
- I'd like to suggest five. (I'm going to assume that each
position agrees with what has been said about the veil,
the public ministry setting, etc.)

1) "Cut it out" position. Yes, this passage is talking
submission and about a literal veil/head covering to be
worn by women ministering in public (not formal worship
services), but I don't like that teaching, so I'm going
to cut it out of the Bible.

Result - no submission, no veil/covering at any time.

2) "Add to it and doctor it up" Yes, this passage
is talking submission and about a literal veil/head
covering to be worn by women ministering in public (not
formal worship services), but we're going to add to it by
asking/requiring women to wear the covering seven days a
week, but we're going to cut down the size of the
covering so it's smaller than a veil.

Result - submission (often by their definition), smaller
head covering worn at all times.

3) "The whole thing is cultural" position. Yes, this passage
is talking submission and about a literal veil/head
covering to be worn by women ministering in public (not
formal worship services), but submission and a literal
head covering is passe`. It fit Paul's day, but it
doesn't fit ours, so we'll "throw out" the entire
passage.
Result - no submission, no head covering.

- there's a significant difference between position #1
and position #3. Even though the result is the same,
position #1 people did it because they believe they
have the right to decide what part of the Bible they
should obey and what part they shouldn't. Position 3
people want to believe the Bible, they just "cut out"
things that don't fit the current culture.

- now, before we go to the other positions--let's
evaluate these first three.

- INPUT - what's your evaluation of the first one?
(we can never cut anything out of the Bible. "For
verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth shall
pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass
from the law, till all be fulfilled." (Matt. 5:18)

- INPUT - what is your evaluation of the second one?
- we have no right to add to the Scripture. Jesus said
in Rev. 22:18 - "For I testify unto every man that
heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any
man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto
him the plagues that are written in this book."
- INPUT - your evaluation of the third one?
(it doesn't distinguish things that truly differ)
(the threefold principle of submission cannot change.
- Paul puts man's submission to Christ, and woman's
submission to man
- in direct parallelism to Christ's submission to
the Father
- to say that part of that equation can change is
to say that it all can change.
- that would be a serious theological error.
- to suggest that Jesus Christ was not eternally
submissive to the Father would be nothing short
of heresy.
- you can't take the position that all of this is
cultural.

- now, having said that--there are at least two other
positions you could take:

4) "Principle is unchanging, cultural application may change
from time to time." That’s the position we've been taking
here.

Result - Submission as outlined in verse 3, no head
covering in today's culture.

- One other possible position is this:

5) (A person could say - I'm not comfortable saying that
anything from this passage is really cultural--
therefore...) The whole passage, both the principle of
submission and the cultural application of the
head covering, is binding today.

Result - Submission as outlined in verse 3, veil worn
by ladies when they are involved in public ministry
(teaching SS, witnessing, praying, etc)

- now, we need to ask two more questions:
1) if we were going to rank these positions from worst to
best (how would you rank them)
- in fact (let me ask you to do that with the person
next to you for a minute)
(our lists might come out a little different, but I
think you'll get the "gist" of what I'm going after."

- INPUT? I think the ranking would be exactly the same
order as they were given.
- surely the worst one is #1.

- #2, though those kinds of folks want to some off
as "super spiritual" is a close second because
it's just as bad to add to the word as it is to
take away. - #3 is bad for the reasons we've
already stated. - #4 is better at least in the
sense that's it's
consistent and cautious with the Scripture.

- obviously we would say #5 is best for the reasons
we've already given.

- now, let me ask you to do this with the list.
- if we were going to draw a line saying which positions
were acceptable and which ones weren't -- where would
you draw the line?
- in other words, sometimes a person holds a position
different than yours, and you could say
- well, that's not the one I hold, but at least I see
where you're coming from.
- the position is consistent even though I think
there's a better one.

- I think we would draw the line between 3 and 4.

- in other words, #4 is acceptable. However, I don't know of
anyone anywhere, and surely not in our country, who truly
holds #4.
- my point is - if you're going to argue against culture
entering this equation in any sense---then get the veils
out.
- if we're going to take it as literally and culturally
binding today--then let's do what the verses
literally say.

- now, let’s turn this question over and look at it from
another perspective
- what about the person who would be here tonight, and would
say, "but I thought we believed in interpreting the Bible
literally!"

- let me ask you to think about that for a minute.
- do we believe that? Do we believe in interpreting the
Bible literally?

- the answer to that question is: Absolutely! Yes, we
believe in interpreting the Bible literally.

- But literal interpretation takes into account things
like figures of speech and cultural application.
- let me give you an example that is parallel to our
subject tonight.

- What did Jesus say in the passage that we refer to now
as the "radical amputation" passage?
- He said - (Matt. 5:19 - "If you right eye offends
thee, pluck it out!)
- now, how do we interpret a verse like that?
***Is the answer - we change our principles of hermeneutics
(Bible study) with verses like that?

- no--we interpret it literally--for what it literally
is.
- it is a literal figure of speech.
- our Lord was using "hyperbole" (English teachers
call it) purposeful exaggeration to prove a
point
- so we interpret a verse like that literally
- its a literal figure of speech

- our principles of Bible study remain the same -- we simply
allow language to do what it was intended to do
- in the case I just mentioned - the language was intended
to communicate a point through purposeful exaggeration
- now, if you apply that same idea back to I Cor. 11 -- you
find that we are interpreting and applying this passage
literally
- it was a literal principle of submission - and we are
applying that literally
- it was a literal cultural application - and we are
interpreting and applying that literally as well

- so the question still remains, how do you know if something
is cultural?
- to be sure, we have to be very careful on this.
- here's a list of questions to ask:

1) Is this practice unique to this geographic area? (The
answer in this case is yes. While the practice was
widespread, it was not universal.)

2) Is this practice unique to this period of time? (The
answer in this case is again, "Yes")

3) Would continuing this practice be counterproductive to
the present day work of the Lord? (The answer to this
one is certainly "yes.") -- this isn't the only issue
to be considered, but it certainly is one of them.

4) Does the practice itself have "moral significance" or is
the real issue what the practice represents? (In this
case, wearing a veil has absolutely no moral
significance. There's nothing immoral about a woman's
forehead, or her nose. (Frankly, a nose is a nose.)
The issue here is what the practice represented in that
culture.)

- OK, I've tried to be as thorough as I could on that--if
you'd like to chat about that some more, I'll be happy to
do that.

- There are still some very important points left in these
verses--let's take the time we have left to look at some
of them.

- in verses 7-16, Paul gives:

III. Three Differences Between Men and Women That Undergird
This Principle

- when we say "this principle," we're talking about the
principle of submission that was given in verse 3

- so following the argument is essential

- verse 3 - the principle of submission - that cannot change
for the reasons we've already given
- verses 4-6 - the cultural application - that may change for
the reasons we've given
- verses 7-16 - biblical truths that undergird the principle
of submission - of course those can't change either

- now remember what we made a big point of last week--
submission does not mean inequality
- the Son is in submission yet He is 100% deity

- the issue is not inequality--but the issue has a lot to do
with creation
- these next verses take us back to the creation of men and
women -- and why they were created, and what roles they
were given
- even the angels are called on because they were witnesses
at the time of creation -- and we ought not to offend
them by misusing the biblical material God has given us
about the role of men and women in the home and in the
church

- you may want to jot down I Tim. 2:11-15 here
- we won't have time to read that passage, but Paul is
discussing this same subject in that passage, and he
follows the same line of reasoning
- he talks about the role of men and women, and then he
goes back to creation to undergird his teaching

- let's see what he says about creation in these verses
- READ 7-12
- Paul says the creation gives us three differences between
men and women

A. Who(m) they are to glorify

- the passage says, a man is the image and glory of
God
- and the women, while of course also being in the
image of God, IS THE GLORY OF THE MAN

- now surely we don't want to be like those folks who cut
things out of their Bibles--so let's try to carefully
understand what Paul is talking about here
- both men and women can/must glorify God
- in fact, we recently studied a verse that stated that
- INPUT? (I Cor 10:31 - Whether, therefore, you eat or
drink...) - written to both men and women

- So why does this passage say - "a man brings glory to God,
a woman brings glory to a man?"
- the answer comes from remembering the context
- remember--these verses are about roles
- when a man is functioning in his proper role, he will
bring glory to God, when a woman is functioning in her
proper role, she will bring glory to her husband.

- now it's a lot easier to get ahold of that if we understand
what glory means

1. meaning of the word "glory."

literally means "brightness, splendor, radiance,
magnificence, fame, reknown"

- a good illustration is Acts 22:11 - (Paul
recounting his conversion of the road to Damascus)
- "I could not see for the glory of the light."

- glory means brightness, splendor, magnificence
- it grabs your attention and everything else pales in
comparison

- now, I've given you some other uses of that word in the
books of I and II Corinthians

2. uses of "glory" in I and II Corinthians

a. I Cor. 2:7 - "...which God ordained before the
ages for our glory."

b. I Cor. 2:8 - "...they would not have crucified the
Lord of glory."

c. I Cor. 11:7, 15 - (our text)

d. I Cor. 15:40 - "but the glory of the celestial is
one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."

e. I Cor. 15:41 - "There is one glory of the sun, and
another glory of the moon..."

f. I Cor. 15:43 - "It is sown in dishonor, it is
raised in glory..."

g. II Cor. 3:18 - "But we all, with unveiled face
beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord,
are changed into the same image from glory to
glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord."

h. II Cor. 4:4 - "...the light of the glorious
gospel."

i. II Cor. 4:6 - "For God, who commanded the light to
shine out of darkness, hath shone in our hearts,
to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of
God in the face of Jesus Christ."

j. II Cor. 4:15 - "...that the abundant grace might
through the thanksgiving of many redound to the
glory of God."

k. II Cor. 4:17 - "For our light affliction, which is
but for a moment, worketh for us a far more
exceeding and eternal weight of glory."

- so the word "Glory" in the book of Corinthians:

1. revealing or explaining something not previously
known.

2. revealing or explaining something not readily
understood by unbelievers
3. putting attention, focus, honor, on our Lord.

- this is very similar to John the Baptist's statement "He
must increase, but I must decrease." (Jn. 3:30)

- now let's factor that back into our discussion of roles

- some key questions when I think about roles is:
- Who do I want to glorify as I carry out my God-given
role?
- where do I want the focus to be?
- where do I want the attention to go?
- who do I want to look good?
- whose opinion/reputation am I most concerned about
promoting/preserving?
- who do I want to glorify in the way I carry out my
role?

- the answer for men needs to be - I want the glory to be on
the Lord.
- He must increase, but I must decrease
- a man ought to say - "I want people to watch the way I
lead spiritually in the home and in the church and
get a better picture of our Lord"
- I want to move into the shadows as the attention
and honor is focused on God.
- I want to give the right opinion of Him.
- I want our Lord to look good to an unbelieving
world because of the way they see me function
in my role.

- the passage says - a wife ought to think that same way
about her husband.
- I want him to look good.
- I want to enhance his spiritual leadership and
complement it.
- I want attention to be focused on his spiritual
leadership as he is focused on the Lord.

- a good question to ask tonight would be - "where do you
want the attention to be focused as you carry out your
God-given role?"

- now, I realize what we're talking about tonight would be
met by scorn and ridicule by the lost world.
- if I taught from this passage at a lecture hall at Purdue,
I'd probably be tarred and feathered!

- but let me ask this:
1) How's it working with people exercising their roles to
glorify themselves?
- when men lead selfishly for what they can get?
- to bring honor to themselves?

- when wives undercut the authority of their
husbands, or just flat out refuse to be in
submission to anyone.

- let's move this out to the workplace? How's it
working when people are concerned primarily about
their reputation, about what they're not getting,
and what they're not going to do for the company,
and on and on?

- how's it working in the world when people aren't
concerned about bring glory to the people they are
in submission to?

- Can I answer that question? It stinks!
- you've got husbands and wives at each other's
throats, and bitter over the years of power
struggles and confused roles.

- you've got companies that are aren't nearly as
productive as they could be because people hate
their authority and undercut their authority
instead of wanting to work for it, wanting to
make it look good.

- Can you imagine what it would be like if every employee at
every company in Lafayette went to work tomorrow saying:
- What's most important to me today is that my company in
general looks good, and my boss in particular looks
good by the way I work today.
- Can you imagine the change that would make?

- I-65 would be jammed by semis carrying the extra
products out of here!

- Can you imagine if every husband and wife did that
tomorrow?

- see, maybe, just maybe, the Lord knows more about the
people He created than we sometimes give Him credit for.

- see, when you think about your role--who are you trying to
bring glory to?

- another question we need to ask about those who would
object to this is:

2) What's so wrong with trying to bring glory to someone
other than myself?
- Isn't that exactly what our Savior did?
- John 17:4 - I have glorified thee on earth, I have
finished the work thou gavest me to do.

- Paul mentions some other differences:

B. Order of Creation - v. 8 - "the man is not of the
woman, but the woman of the man."

- let's take these last ones together:

C. Purpose of creation - v. 9

- the woman was created for the man

- the point of all of this is that the principle of
submission is consistent with the very creation.
- the cultural application of the head covering may change
from time to time, but the principle of submission from
verse 3 cannot change because of it's connection with
creation doctrine

- there's one more step in the argument that I'd like to
mention tonight and that is:

IV. An Important Truth That Keeps Us In Balance In This Area

- vs. 11-12

- we need each other